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JackHaskel — 2007-03-07 23:07:04

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JackHaskel — 2007-02-26 23:41:08

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asabat — 2007-02-26 23:33:29

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- A3 20.2 Lake Morena Campground Water, showers -	+ A3 20.2 [http://www.sdcounty.ca.gov/parks/camping/lake_morena.html Lake Morena Campground ] Water, showers -
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- A5 26.1 Boulder Oaks Campground - USFS Campground open. Closed March-May for Arroyo Toad breeding season. 1/10/07 USFS website	+ A5 26.1 Boulder Oaks Campground - [http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/cleveland/ USFS] Campground open. Closed March-May for Arroyo Toad breeding season. 1/10/07 USFS website
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- A6 32.8 Cibbets Flat Campground (Fred Cyn Road 16S08 0.8 m NW) - USFS Campground open. 1/10/07 USFS website	+ A6 32.8 Cibbets Flat Campground (Fred Cyn Road 16S08 0.8 m NW) - [http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/cleveland/ USFS] Campground open. 1/10/07 USFS website
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- ''Horse camp. Turn left at little blue H2O sign, walk 3 minutes to the word “TO” on a fence post. Turn left at the next old jeep road a couple hundred yards, Spring with big tank''A7 41.9 Burnt Rancheria Campgrd (south end) USFS Campground closed for winter 1/10/07 USFS website	+ ''Horse camp. Turn left at little blue H2O sign, walk 3 minutes to the word “TO” on a fence post. Turn left at the next old jeep road a couple hundred yards, Spring with big tank''A7 41.9 Burnt Rancheria Campgrd (south end) [http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/cleveland/ USFS] Campground closed for winter 1/10/07 USFS website
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- A8 47.7 Laguna Campground USFS (0.7 mi SE) Campground open 1/10/07 USFS website	+ A8 47.7 Laguna Campground [http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/cleveland/ USFS] (0.7 mi SE) Campground open 1/10/07 USFS website
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- A11 77.7 Scissors Crossing Caches cache is almost gone- just a couple quarts left 2/17/07 Mike	+ A11 77.7 Scissors Crossing '''Caches ''' cache is almost gone- just a couple quarts left 2/17/07 Mike
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- A12 91 San Felipe Hills Third Gate Cache lots of water, at least 25 gallons 2/17/07 Mike	+ A12 91 San Felipe Hills Third Gate '''Cache ''' lots of water, at least 25 gallons 2/17/07 Mike

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asabat — 2007-02-26 23:22:08

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- Faucet is on short brown post across first dirt road the PCT meets in camp. A second faucet is on a tall brown post a little ways further along the road.	+ ''Faucet is on short brown post across first dirt road the PCT meets in camp. A second faucet is on a tall brown post a little ways further along the road.''
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- Wait 15 minutes until you get to the paved road and take a left. Take a dirt road down to the water.	+ ''Wait 15 minutes until you get to the paved road and take a left. Take a dirt road down to the water.''
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- Horse camp. Turn left at little blue H2O sign, walk 3 minutes to the word “TO” on a fence post. Turn left at the next old jeep road a couple hundred yards, Spring with big tank - A7 41.9 Burnt Rancheria Campgrd (south end) USFS Campground closed for winter 1/10/07 USFS website - Turn left at signed junction where PCT joins Desert View Trail. (Sign does not mention campground.)	+ ''Horse camp. Turn left at little blue H2O sign, walk 3 minutes to the word “TO” on a fence post. Turn left at the next old jeep road a couple hundred yards, Spring with big tank''A7 41.9 Burnt Rancheria Campgrd (south end) USFS Campground closed for winter 1/10/07 USFS website + ''Turn left at signed junction where PCT joins Desert View Trail. (Sign does not mention campground.)''
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- Access on left 50 yards after you walk under a picnic table on the upper left. Or from road north on the store.Three water sources here: 1. On SW side of loop at end of road (nearest PCT) is a small, two car parking pad. To left & forward a bit is a heavy metal pipe with faucet, right next to a big tree. If I recall, there might be a couple of small steps leading up from parking to the faucet. I think it has a small concrete circle around it. This faucet reported to be insulated and should be on year round. 2. Drinking faucet next to restrooms. Off in winter. 3. Sink in restrooms.	+ ''Access on left 50 yards after you walk under a picnic table on the upper left. Or from road north on the store.Three water sources here: 1. On SW side of loop at end of road (nearest PCT) is a small, two car parking pad. To left & forward a bit is a heavy metal pipe with faucet, right next to a big tree. If I recall, there might be a couple of small steps leading up from parking to the faucet. I think it has a small concrete circle around it. This faucet reported to be insulated and should be on year round. 2. Drinking faucet next to restrooms. Off in winter. 3. Sink in restrooms.''
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- Leave trail near wooden overlook. Total walk to the campground and back to the faucet is one mile round trip. GATR (next) is much easier..Just across the road from the trail.	+ ''Leave trail near wooden overlook. Total walk to the campground and back to the faucet is one mile round trip. GATR (next) is much easier..Just across the road from the trail.''
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- Across Hwy S1 from Penny Pines (Noble Cyn Trail). Caution: The Arrow pointing to water points up wrong path. Take far sharp left path (west) at water sign 100 yds straight to and then 50 yds past the road. (Water system is filled by portable generator, so subject to outage.)	+ ''Across Hwy S1 from Penny Pines (Noble Cyn Trail). Caution: The Arrow pointing to water points up wrong path. Take far sharp left path (west) at water sign 100 yds straight to and then 50 yds past the road. (Water system is filled by portable generator, so subject to outage.)''
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- At north end is trough fed by pipe from a water tank that is filled by water trucked in by USFS (limited supply). Water unpotable - filter. LaurenceTheSpringGuy	+ ''At north end is trough fed by pipe from a water tank that is filled by water trucked in by USFS (limited supply). Water unpotable'' - filter. LaurenceTheSpringGuy
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- Near BM 5015. A new trail (marked by a post with "No Bikes" and "No Dogs" signs) follows the 5,000-foot contour 1/4 mile SW to the highway. Across the highway to the South are new parking lot & pit restrooms (at last "5" in "BM 5015" on Map A9). To west a solar-powered well is visible. Follow old road W 1/8 mile to well (at "B" in "BM 5015"). A sign says the water is for horses only & not potable. Lift flap over trough, push down float valve in trough down to get water from pipe, or just filter from trough. (Valve at pump MAY (not usual) give water IF pump is on.)	+ ''Near BM 5015. A new trail (marked by a post with "No Bikes" and "No Dogs" signs) follows the 5,000-foot contour 1/4 mile SW to the highway. Across the highway to the South are new parking lot & pit restrooms (at last "5" in "BM 5015" on Map A9). To west a solar-powered well is visible. Follow old road W 1/8 mile to well (at "B" in "BM 5015"). A sign says the water is for horses only & not potable. Lift flap over trough, push down float valve in trough down to get water from pipe, or just filter from trough. (Valve at pump MAY (not usual) give water IF pump is on.)''
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- [Ed. note: It's a lot of work to get water up here. Take only what you need to get to Barrel Spring 11 miles ahead, and don't waste it. Thanks!] - If no water at 3rd Gate Cache, there MAY be water 3/4 mile away. From 3rd Gate, a small trail leads downhill & east of the PCT. There's a rough sign that simply says "water" and points downhill. About a mile down this trail water which didn't get hiked up to 3rd Gate may be stored. If no water left here, continue 1/2 mile to the jeep road ENE of "The Big Square Post." Turn left & walk another 1 to 1.5 miles or so to a small "ranch." Follow the dirt road N until it crosses the stream bed and makes a left turn. Within a few feet, turn right on the road going thru the gate. Proceed 20-30 yds to another gate & find a faucet on right hand side with a garden hose attached. Use this to fill your water containers. BUT...The owner asks that hikers return to the trail (unless there is a medical emergency). PERMISSION TO TAKE WATER IS NOT AN OPEN INVITATION TO VISIT THE OWNER/EMPLOYEES, NOR TO CAMP ON THE RANCH ITSELF. The ranch owner gave permission for us to get water from this faucet ONLY. Hikers must respect the owner's property and NOT GO NEAR any pen with livestock for any reason. Respect the rights of others and have a safe hike! [Ed. note: This could be 6 miles round trip, compared to 11 miles to Barrel Spring.] - Another possibility – "if no water at cache then down the side trail is a water cistern very much closer than walking to the ranch for water. I put a bucket and a rope in there so you can pull the water up and its kind of dirty but its certainly clean enough to use a filter on." (Laurence The Spring Guy) Others have reported it's about 100 yards, "cross country," off the trail to the ranch house, near some rock ruins, not visible from the trail, and they'd rather walk to the ranch.	+ ''[Ed. note: It's a lot of work to get water up here. Take only what you need to get to Barrel Spring 11 miles ahead, and don't waste it. Thanks!] + If no water at 3rd Gate Cache, there MAY be water 3/4 mile away. From 3rd Gate, a small trail leads downhill & east of the PCT. There's a rough sign that simply says "water" and points downhill. About a mile down this trail water which didn't get hiked up to 3rd Gate may be stored. If no water left here, continue 1/2 mile to the jeep road ENE of "The Big Square Post." Turn left & walk another 1 to 1.5 miles or so to a small "ranch." Follow the dirt road N until it crosses the stream bed and makes a left turn. Within a few feet, turn right on the road going thru the gate. Proceed 20-30 yds to another gate & find a faucet on right hand side with a garden hose attached. Use this to fill your water containers. BUT...The owner asks that hikers return to the trail (unless there is a medical emergency). PERMISSION TO TAKE WATER IS NOT AN OPEN INVITATION TO VISIT THE OWNER/EMPLOYEES, NOR TO CAMP ON THE RANCH ITSELF. The ranch owner gave permission for us to get water from this faucet ONLY. Hikers must respect the owner's property and NOT GO NEAR any pen with livestock for any reason. Respect the rights of others and have a safe hike! [Ed. note: This could be 6 miles round trip, compared to 11 miles to Barrel Spring.]'' + ''Another possibility – "if no water at cache then down the side trail is a water cistern very much closer than walking to the ranch for water. I put a bucket and a rope in there so you can pull the water up and its kind of dirty but its certainly clean enough to use a filter on." (Laurence The Spring Guy) Others have reported it's about 100 yards, "cross country," off the trail to the ranch house, near some rock ruins, not visible from the trail, and they'd rather walk to the ranch.''
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- If the trough is empty, there probably is water at the spring source. Go past the water trough and follow PCT south around to other side of the hill behind the trough. Go 50 to 75 yards up the trail (heading south) and look for a "path" that leaves the trail to your "right rear" (about 120 degree angle). The spring is near the top of the ridge, normally covered by a piece of sheet metal. Please KEEP IT CLEAN!	+ ''If the trough is empty, there probably is water at the spring source. Go past the water trough and follow PCT south around to other side of the hill behind the trough. Go 50 to 75 yards up the trail (heading south) and look for a "path" that leaves the trail to your "right rear" (about 120 degree angle). The spring is near the top of the ridge, normally covered by a piece of sheet metal. Please KEEP IT CLEAN!''

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	+ + + + A: MEXICAN BORDER TO WARNER SPRINGS + A1 1.1 Juvenile Ranch Facility - Faucet by road behind sign at main entrance and others 30 yards to each side at grass. 11/28/06 WS Monty + A1 1.3 Campo Town - Faucet & Store + A1 ~2.5 Campo Crk (seasonal) - + A1 3.9 Creeklet (early spring) - + A3 ~12.7 Creek (seasonal) - + A3 15.7 Hauser Creek (early spring) - + A3 20.2 Lake Morena Campground Water, showers - + A5 24.3 Cottonwood Creek Bridge (early spring) - + A5 25.7 Cottonwood Creek bed (usually dry) - + A5 26.1 Boulder Oaks Campground - USFS Campground open. Closed March-May for Arroyo Toad breeding season. 1/10/07 USFS website + Faucet is on short brown post across first dirt road the PCT meets in camp. A second faucet is on a tall brown post a little ways further along the road. + A5 26.5 Boulder Oaks Store Closed permanently + A5 ~26.6 Kitchen Creek near I-8 - + A5 ~29+ Kitchen Creek (100 feet below trail) - + Wait 15 minutes until you get to the paved road and take a left. Take a dirt road down to the water. + A6 32.2 Fred Canyon (usually dry) - + A6 32.8 Cibbets Flat Campground (Fred Cyn Road 16S08 0.8 m NW) - USFS Campground open. 1/10/07 USFS website + A6 37.0 Long Canyon (next is easier) - + A6 37.8 Long Canyon Creek ford moderate flow 11/5/06 Mike M + A6 38.9 Lower Morris Mdw (0.3 m NW) good flow from pipe into trough. trough was full but 80% algae covered. Water easily available from the pipe. 11/5/06 Mike M + Horse camp. Turn left at little blue H2O sign, walk 3 minutes to the word “TO” on a fence post. Turn left at the next old jeep road a couple hundred yards, Spring with big tank + A7 41.9 Burnt Rancheria Campgrd (south end) USFS Campground closed for winter 1/10/07 USFS website + Turn left at signed junction where PCT joins Desert View Trail. (Sign does not mention campground.) + A7 42.2 Burnt Rancheria CG jct - drinking fountain still on 11/11/06 Mike M + A7 42.9 Mt. Laguna P.O. (0.4 mi S of trail) Town - P.O. only open 12-4, store 9-5. Store did NOT provide water to hikers in 2005. + A7 43.1 Desert View Picnic Area Drinking fountain off. Water running in rest rooms. (Faucet at rear of parking area (SW end) still running. Mike M 11/11/06) 11/28/06 WS Monty + Access on left 50 yards after you walk under a picnic table on the upper left. Or from road north on the store.Three water sources here: 1. On SW side of loop at end of road (nearest PCT) is a small, two car parking pad. To left & forward a bit is a heavy metal pipe with faucet, right next to a big tree. If I recall, there might be a couple of small steps leading up from parking to the faucet. I think it has a small concrete circle around it. This faucet reported to be insulated and should be on year round. 2. Drinking faucet next to restrooms. Off in winter. 3. Sink in restrooms. + A8 47.7 Laguna Campground USFS (0.7 mi SE) Campground open 1/10/07 USFS website + Leave trail near wooden overlook. Total walk to the campground and back to the faucet is one mile round trip. GATR (next) is much easier..Just across the road from the trail. + A8 48.2 Oasis Spring (1/2 mi down) - + A8 49.1 G.A.T.R. Road, faucet (0.1 mi SW) WATER TURNED OFF 11/28/06 WS Monty + Across Hwy S1 from Penny Pines (Noble Cyn Trail). Caution: The Arrow pointing to water points up wrong path. Take far sharp left path (west) at water sign 100 yds straight to and then 50 yds past the road. (Water system is filled by portable generator, so subject to outage.) + A8 53.0 Pioneer Mail Picnic Area faucet on, did not check tank level (but tank only has 1 foot of water in it 11/11/06) 11/28/06 WS Monty + At north end is trough fed by pipe from a water tank that is filled by water trucked in by USFS (limited supply). Water unpotable - filter. LaurenceTheSpringGuy + A8 ~57.5 Oriflamme Cyn (usually dry) - + A9 ~58.5 Lucky 5 Former cache closed - not needed because of new trailhead one mile north 9/20/06 Lucky 5 + A9 >~59.4 New Sunrise Trailhead (0.5 mi W) had a full trough (See note below) 11/28/06 WS Monty + Near BM 5015. A new trail (marked by a post with "No Bikes" and "No Dogs" signs) follows the 5,000-foot contour 1/4 mile SW to the highway. Across the highway to the South are new parking lot & pit restrooms (at last "5" in "BM 5015" on Map A9). To west a solar-powered well is visible. Follow old road W 1/8 mile to well (at "B" in "BM 5015"). A sign says the water is for horses only & not potable. Lift flap over trough, push down float valve in trough down to get water from pipe, or just filter from trough. (Valve at pump MAY (not usual) give water IF pump is on.) + A9 61.6 Faint jeep track above Oriflamme Cyn (trough 1 mi W) - Windmill gone, dry forever as of 3/11/05 + A10 62.7 Mason Valley Truck Trail (concrete water tank 75 yds E - often dry) dry 1/26/07 Spring Guy + A10 64.0 Upper Chariot Cyn (0.6 to 1.8 mi N) - + A10 68.9 Rodriguez Spur Truck Tr (Tank visible 75'W) FIRE TANK 100 % FULL 1/15/07 Don + A10 68.9 (springs 0.9 thru 1.3 mi W) - + A11 77.7 Scissors Crossing Caches cache is almost gone- just a couple quarts left 2/17/07 Mike + A11 78.1 San Felipe Creek under Highway 78 dry 2/17/07 Mike + A12 91 San Felipe Hills Third Gate Cache lots of water, at least 25 gallons 2/17/07 Mike + [Ed. note: It's a lot of work to get water up here. Take only what you need to get to Barrel Spring 11 miles ahead, and don't waste it. Thanks!] + If no water at 3rd Gate Cache, there MAY be water 3/4 mile away. From 3rd Gate, a small trail leads downhill & east of the PCT. There's a rough sign that simply says "water" and points downhill. About a mile down this trail water which didn't get hiked up to 3rd Gate may be stored. If no water left here, continue 1/2 mile to the jeep road ENE of "The Big Square Post." Turn left & walk another 1 to 1.5 miles or so to a small "ranch." Follow the dirt road N until it crosses the stream bed and makes a left turn. Within a few feet, turn right on the road going thru the gate. Proceed 20-30 yds to another gate & find a faucet on right hand side with a garden hose attached. Use this to fill your water containers. BUT...The owner asks that hikers return to the trail (unless there is a medical emergency). PERMISSION TO TAKE WATER IS NOT AN OPEN INVITATION TO VISIT THE OWNER/EMPLOYEES, NOR TO CAMP ON THE RANCH ITSELF. The ranch owner gave permission for us to get water from this faucet ONLY. Hikers must respect the owner's property and NOT GO NEAR any pen with livestock for any reason. Respect the rights of others and have a safe hike! [Ed. note: This could be 6 miles round trip, compared to 11 miles to Barrel Spring.] + Another possibility – "if no water at cache then down the side trail is a water cistern very much closer than walking to the ranch for water. I put a bucket and a rope in there so you can pull the water up and its kind of dirty but its certainly clean enough to use a filter on." (Laurence The Spring Guy) Others have reported it's about 100 yards, "cross country," off the trail to the ranch house, near some rock ruins, not visible from the trail, and they'd rather walk to the ranch. + A13 101.9 Barrel Spring trough is full and water flowing clear and fast 2/17/07 Mike + If the trough is empty, there probably is water at the spring source. Go past the water trough and follow PCT south around to other side of the hill behind the trough. Go 50 to 75 yards up the trail (heading south) and look for a "path" that leaves the trail to your "right rear" (about 120 degree angle). The spring is near the top of the ridge, normally covered by a piece of sheet metal. Please KEEP IT CLEAN! + A13 ~105 Spring-fed metal cattle trough NE of Hill 3406 (0.2 NE, visible from PCT) (Usually skipped) - + A13 ~105.5 Stock tank below mouth of San Ysidro Creek (0.2 W, sign points the way) (Usually skipped) - + A13 105.8 San Ysidro Creek (In late spring can be wet in a.m. and dry in p.m.) good flow, water clear 2/17/07 Mike + A13 ~109 Cañada Verde - + A14 110.6 Hwy 79 bridge (0.2 mi NE) - + In 2006 OK for PCT hikers to use faucet at Fire Station on right. Second building in on right corner. (WS Monty 4/21/06) + A14 110.6 Warner Springs town 1.2 mi NE - faucets on left side of Mini Mart -

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